Legislature(2005 - 2006)BUTROVICH 205

04/14/2005 08:00 AM Senate JUDICIARY


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08:54:04 AM Start
08:54:21 AM SB140
08:59:55 AM Confirmation Hearing: Attorney General: Mr. David Marquez
09:00:55 AM SB135
09:45:03 AM SB132
10:44:17 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
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+= SB 135 ASSAULT & CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 135(JUD) Out of Committee
+= SB 132 HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 132 Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= SB 140 BAN INTERNET SPYWARE
Moved CSSB 140(JUD) Out of Committee
Confirmation Hearing: Attorney General,
David W. Marquez
            SB 135-ASSAULT & CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:00:55 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JASON HOOLEY,  staff  to Senator  Dyson  introduced SB  135,                                                               
which  focuses  on assault  and  custodial  interference. SB  135                                                               
amends  AS 11.41.220(C)(i)  to read,  "would  cause a  reasonable                                                               
caregiver  to   seek  medical  attention   from  a   health  care                                                               
professional in  the form of  diagnosis, treatment, or  care." SB
135  also  limits  the defense  of  necessity  for  non-custodial                                                               
parents who kidnap  their children. The limit would be  set at 24                                                               
hours or the time it takes to contact the authorities.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:04:13 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. DEAN  GUANELI, chief  assistant attorney  general, Department                                                               
of Law (DOL),  said in many parent/child  relationships there are                                                               
custodial disputes where  the court has to  intercede. One parent                                                               
is often unhappy with the result.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:07:13 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. GUANELI stated what SB  135 does is mandate the non-custodial                                                               
parent  to report  suspected harm  to the  proper authorities  as                                                               
opposed to forcibly taking the child from the custodial parent.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:10:00 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRETCHEN GUESS asked the  consequences of a non-custodial                                                               
parent who does not comply with Section 2, subsection (c).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI  responded it cuts  off the defense of  necessity for                                                               
the parent who takes their child  out of state. It does not allow                                                               
the argument  that they kidnapped  the child  for his or  her own                                                               
safety.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS asked how people would  be alerted to the change in                                                               
the law.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI answered the DOL  presumes that people understand the                                                               
law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HOLLIS  FRENCH asked Mr.  Guaneli the  consequences where                                                               
there is no custodial court order.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:13:31 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. GUANELI responded  in the case of no custody  order where the                                                               
parent takes  the child out  of state, the other  parent normally                                                               
obtains a  temporary custody order.  Because the  custodial order                                                               
is  a continuing  offense, the  parent could  be charged  at that                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:14:29 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked the notice  requirements to an absent parent                                                               
with respect to obtaining a temporary custody order.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said the orders  could be obtained without the parent                                                               
being present.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  whether they  were  similar  to  domestic                                                               
violence restraining orders.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI advised the parent would  not be charged with a crime                                                               
unless they  had been  notified. The  temporary custody  order is                                                               
valid in  terms of getting  the child  back but the  parent could                                                               
not be  charged with a  crime unless  they ignored a  notice from                                                               
the court.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:16:30 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GUESS asked  whether SB 135 would extend  to other family                                                               
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI   said  the  custodial  interference   statutes  are                                                               
designed to  treat what  would otherwise be  a kidnapping.  It is                                                               
treated as a less serious offense if done by a relative.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:18:13 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  Mr.  Guaneli to  describe  the  court  of                                                               
appeals decision that brought about Section 1 of SB 135.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI explained a series  of assaults against children many                                                               
years  ago  spurned  the  Legislature  to  raise  the  charge  of                                                               
assaults against children  under 10 to felony assault.  SB 135 is                                                               
designed to protect  children. There is a problem  in Alaska with                                                               
assaults  to children  such  as shaken  baby  syndrome. A  person                                                               
cannot be  charged under AS 11.41.220  for shaking a baby  if the                                                               
medical diagnosis did  not require medical treatment.  He gave an                                                               
example of a recent case.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:21:57 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. GUANELI  continued, AS 11.41.220 does  not adequately reflect                                                               
the  Legislature's   intent.  Broader  terms  are   necessary  to                                                               
establish the felony-level offense.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:22:46 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked Mr. Guaneli  whether someone would  have to                                                               
seek medical care for the event to qualify as a felony.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI said  no. Injuries may arise in  a circumstance where                                                               
the  parent  doesn't  seek medical  attention  and  someone  else                                                               
discovers the  injuries at a  later time. There would  be medical                                                               
attention and expert testimony of  the injuries sustained at some                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RALPH  SEEKINS clarified  SB  135  would not  require  the                                                               
caregiver to immediately seek medical attention.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI answered correct.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  expressed concern  that SB 135  didn't completely                                                               
cover all the circumstances that could arise with child abuse.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:26:04 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. GUANELI  said a  more culpable offender  who doesn't  allow a                                                               
mother to  take her child  for treatment should still  fall under                                                               
AS 11.41.220.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:27:22 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  the reason  the individual  who coerces  a                                                               
caregiver  against   taking  the  child  for   medical  treatment                                                               
shouldn't be charged under Section 1(C)(ii)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI responded it might have been just a single assault.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:29:25 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked  the reason for adding the  words, "or care"                                                               
on Page 1, line 15.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUANELI answered  the language  was intentionally  broad for                                                               
situations  where a  doctor, hospital  or health  aide may  put a                                                               
child  under observation  for 12  hours. There  may be  no formal                                                               
diagnostic testing  but care  would be  provided. Given  the wide                                                               
variety of  healthcare in  Alaska, it  seems appropriate  to have                                                               
some latitude.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:31:31 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH expressed  "care" could  be misconstrued  to mean                                                               
administering  ice or  taking a  temperature. SB  135 could  lead                                                               
into a felony charge for very minor injuries.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GENE THERRIAULT  asked whether  24 hours  of observation                                                               
would be defined as diagnosis.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUANELI admitted  that was possible. He said  if the observed                                                               
injuries are such  that a reasonable person would  feel the child                                                               
should receive  medical attention  that would  be enough  for the                                                               
DOL to start an investigation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:36:26 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  THERRIAULT sided  with Senator  French's concern  of the                                                               
word "care."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:38:48 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH  moved  Amendment  1.  Page  1,  line  15,  after                                                               
"diagnosis" add the word "or."  Hearing no objections, the motion                                                               
carried.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:40:16 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GUESS moved CSSB 135(JUD)  from committee with individual                                                               
recommendations  and  attached  fiscal note(s).  There  being  no                                                               
objection, the motion carried.                                                                                                  

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